Brown vs brookie patterns


(Gressak) #1

I recently camped with the family near a wild stream.

I fished two files.

fly one.
all brown. brown stiff hackle and brown dubbing with a couple strands of ice dub. Everything brown with a red head.

fly two.
variant of grave digger with peacock collar and a stiff white hackle. purple body, white hackle, green head

Day one I fished fly one. A mix of brookies and browns. 50/50 8 fish landed.

Day two I fished fly two. All browns. 7 fish landed.

It could be coincidence. But I was reflecting on it a bit and how odd it was.

There was some overlap in the water I was fishing. I have experienced water where there was some division, perhaps environmental factors separate the two. But in this case I sensed it might have been the fly color. The other attrs were close to the same. Size…general material…etc.

any experienced fly flickers have thoughts?


(Mike Shelton) #2

Greesak,
This seems only to be a weird random chance occurrence. The brown vs. brookies appeared to have a pattern due to the fly you were fishing but in reality, I think this is just a fluke. However, you never know sometimes. Did you fish at different times, was the weather the same for both days, was the barometric pressure the same for both days, and was the lightning the same? There are so many variables to take into account that sometimes it is hard to wrap your head around what caused the difference. Example: I fished a CK Yellow Stonefly nymph one day on the Rapidan River and caught 30+ brook trout. The next day I caught 0 and both days were very similar in weather etc. As a good friend once told me, “God works in many mysterious ways, my friend.” My friend was my diving coach and then later he became a priest. I figured he must have the inside scoop. :wink:


(todoroki toshirou) #3

My idea
One is the difference in personality due to fish species
Second is the difference in predation behavior by fish species
Third is the factor that only God knows

Brookies is very cowardly, they hide in rocks
Brown is a bold and aggressive compared to it
If there is movement of “kebari” brown actively chases it

I believe there is a favorite color by fish species

Brookies like dark colors and brown like light colors
It is a color that the fish can see when seeing the water surface from the fish’s place


(Gressak) #4

Part of me sees both sides of what you and Mike note.

the times were somewhat mixed but some of the holes were the same. A few springs ago I went to this same brook and only caught brooktrout, but I think I used that same brown fly.

I think some of my experience is that I catch more browns on that gravedigger pattern in general. I go back in my memory banks and although I have caught brookies on that pattern they have all been stocked fish…and mostly recently stocked.

This brook was wild and all the trout were fingerling. Even the browns were darters. Like they were hiding like brookies. and when I caught them I thought for sure they were brooktrout until inspection. All these fisher were 3-6 inches. The brook only got 2 feet deep in the deepest of pools. Most of it was 1 foot and under. The riffles only inches deep I was able to hook a few trout out of. Such a joy. Fishing in puddles.


(Mike Shelton) #5

Great thinking Todoroki-san, I didn’t think about species color preference due to predation behavior. It is always great to hear from you, my friend.
Gressak, I would listen to Todoroki-san because his answer is more scientifically sound. My answer is just a wild guess.


(Mike Shelton) #6

Gressak,
You do have the right mindset, just have fun fishing no matter what you catch. Keep catching fish.


(Gressak) #7

I like catching all fish but prefer the colors of brook over browns. I will continue this evperiment.

It was fun nonetheless.


(Mike Shelton) #8

Gressak,
I love brook trout also (this is Virginia’s only native char and it happens to be our state fish) but golden trout and cutthroat trout are a real close second/third. We do have some brown and rainbows that are reproducing and have become wild. I wished the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries would stock some other species in certain locations just to see what would happen but funds are tight presently and experimental stocking is not high on anyone’s list.


(todoroki toshirou) #9

Difference of “kebari” by target fish


(Mike Shelton) #10

Todoroki-san,
These Kebari are absolutely beautiful!!! You are an artist on the fly tying vise. Amazing my friend.


(todoroki toshirou) #11

Thank you for your compliment :smile:

“Kebari” will be glad when used as a tool

It is the mission of “kebari” that was born as a tool